Largos Redheaded Stepchild, Homeowner, Taxpayer and Fed Up Resident over 2 years ago
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The magnitude of 50 mph+ speeders and cut through traffic on Adrian Avenue is beyond dangerous. We DO NOT see any extra patrols despite numerous requests from several residents. The obnoxious Boom Boom bass cars is downright a noise violation and after reading the statutes IS a reason to pull them over.

The "Stealth" radar which the PD will not tell us where is placed is overdue for another one, but at a different location than what they have been using. My neighbor and I have offered our properties which are in an appropriate location to place the device for an actual ACCURATE calculation of speed.

We have requested speed tables and were told there is no plan on installing any on Adrian Avenue or other nearby streets incurring the same issues. Enough is enough.

The street is pitch black at night, regardless of the LED bulb being installed on the one and only tree covered streetlight located about 6 houses down from our area. Without homeowner expensed lights on, it's literally pitch black. Walking is dangerous and overall given the number of break ins and burglaries.... DANGEROUS.

We've been asking for more streetlights and speed tables since 2011 and have been denied each time. The LPD has commented that streetlights are needed on Adrian Avenue. Perhaps the Commission, City Manager, and Engineers should take a ride down Adrian Ave on a Friday night, sit and stay a while to witness what happens on this Block. Only then will you see what you cannot seen to see.

The only thing I have encountered in SW Largo in the "City of Progress"; Progressing BACKWARDS. Crime is up, MVAs are up, open air drug deals continue and it's a drag strip at times. We need to see progress SOON. The city of Largo has treated SW Largo as a redheaded stepchild for too long.

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Discouraged Resident over 2 years ago

Hello Mr. Stepchild. I feel your pain. Largo is an outstanding place for recreation and entertainment as one can see by the money spent on building recreation, entertainment and community centers. The "real Largo" can be seen by driving the neighborhoods within a 3 mile radius of downtown. Poorly-maintained roads and drainage ways, inadequate code enforcement coverage and, unfortunately, evidence of the "Larghetto" community.

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Cara W, Planner admin over 2 years ago

The City of Largo has received your comment submitted through the LoveLargo web site. We respectfully offer the following response:

Regarding the speeding/traffic calming concerns:

The Largo Police Department conducted a speed study on Adrian Avenue from March 24, 2016 to March 28, 2016. The speed sensors were placed in two locations, one near Gladys Street and one near Pine Street. A summary of the report is as follows:

Gladys Area Eastbound - Total Vehicles, 11,758, Average Speed 15.6 MPH, 50th Percentile, 14 MPH, 85th Percentile, 20 MPH, Max Speed Recorded 45 MPH Gladys Area Westbound - Total Vehicles, 10,757, Average Speed 17.9 MPH, 50th Percentile, 17 MPH, 85th Percentile, 22 MPH, Max Speed Recorded 46 MPH Pine Area Eastbound - Total Vehicles, 3,180, Average Speed 17.9 MPH, 50th Percentile, 17 MPH, 85th Percentile, 25 MPH, Max Speed Recorded 41 MPH Pine Area Westbound - Total Vehicles, 2,573, Average Speed 17.8 MPH, 50th Percentile, 16 MPH, 85th Percentile, 24 MPH, Max Speed Recorded 74 MPH

The highest recorded speed was 74 MPH at 1500 hrs. In the same 15 minute time period, there was another vehicle traveling 72 MPH. The next highest speed on this section of roadway was one vehicle at 38 MPH and one vehicle at 36 MPH.

The results of this study show that the average 85th percentile is not over the 30 MPH speed limit. Based on these results, we do not have enough cause to consider traffic calming features for Adrian. If you believe a speeding issue persists you can request a second speed study no sooner than 6 months from the March 24, 2016 speed study.

Regarding the streetlight concerns:

Due to budget constraints, the City has not been able to install any new street lights since 2008. Staff is currently working on a new street light program that is tentatively scheduled to be brought in front of City Commission at a work session in July. In the meantime, we will add your information to our list of requests that will be addressed should the program be re-instituted.

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david largo over 2 years ago

I agree with the original poster here, the study done by lpd is likely ineffective at best, and a weekend spent undercover on Adrian will show lpd that there is a serious problem coming from people who live in the Baskins area, using Adrian to access the two convenient stores on the end of Adrian Ave. Those stores are catering to underage smokers and alcohol users as well, as I have personally witnessed on numerous occasions. Our quiet neighborhood is being used by drug dealers for its peaceful, underpoliced nature, and the corners of Gladys and Adrian, and Pine and Adrian are two of the busiest drug dealing spots in the area on any given night, along withloitering and speeding, done by the drugbuyers and dealers at all hours. LPD likely knows who and where these folks are doing their business, it would be nice to see them finally push to elimiinate them from our quiet neighborhood.

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Largos Redheaded Stepchild, Homeowner, Taxpayer and Fed Up Resident over 2 years ago

So let me clarify this: You put a "Stealth radar" device in locations where there is known drug dealing and/or stop signs? Areas where people slow down to "do business"!? Who was the rocket scientist that came up with that idea? Frankly, your numbers do not compute, nor is there any indication of the speeds recorded on the 3300 block where they tend to ramp up speed. The study is crap and as David mentioned, ineffective. LPD when out on this street has commented on the speeders themselves as well as just about every taxpaying resident on this street. But I digress... Another pacification tactic compliments of LPD and the city.

"The results of this study show that the average 85th percentile is not over the 30 MPH speed limit. Based on these results, we do not have enough cause to consider traffic calming features for Adrian. If you believe a speeding issue persists you can request a second speed study no sooner than 6 months from the March 24, 2016 speed study."

Funny, in an email from the mayor himself and in speaking to engineers at the SW Largo Rec center, the speed and cut through issues were acknowledged and we were told were being looked into. A roundabout was publicly addressed in front of the entire crowd. Does one hand know what the other is doing at City hall? It sure doesn't seem like it.

As for streetlights, the Neighborhood watch submitted a petition with well over 200 signatures to the City Commission in public session in 2011. At that time we were told we were on the list. Your words above would indicate that either no such list exists or we were never added? Please clarify.

FDOT and contractors have been out all week on Adrian and have expressed concerns for worker safety due to speed amongst other issues. But alas... I guess it's all just in our heads. SMH...

It is because of the above BS study and the continual allowed criminal activities that good people and businesses are moving out of Largo and many of those that remain simply don't care anymore. Shame on your Largo, you're once again showing your lack of professionalism and organization.

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Glenn Richardson over 2 years ago

"Staff is currently working on a new street light program that is tentatively scheduled to be brought in front of City Commission at a work session in July."

I strongly urge this proposal include more/better streetlights on Adrian, perhaps as a part of the new sidewalk work just beginning.

And we all hear the occasional idiot speeding down the street (usually with boom box rattling our windows) but I'd rather we arrest these as often as possible and deal with them severely, rather than adding shock-damaging speed bumps.

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Largos Redheaded Stepchild, Homeowner, Taxpayer and Fed Up Resident over 2 years ago

I agree Glenn; However that would require LEO presence which we simply don't seem to be able to get. If they were patrolling Adrian last night, they could have made $$$$ on speeders, drug runners and more. But NOPE! In sitting outside with neighbors from Sunset til Midnight, we did not see one LEO drive by. Speed Tables are not shock damaging and in researching national statistics; are very effective in lowering traffic volume and speed. I don't like speed bumps either, but at this point we'd take anything to stop the obnoxious boom boom cars, speeders and high volume of cut through traffic.

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david largo over 2 years ago

This week, contractors have begun work on the project to add draiage and sidewalks to Adrian and surrounding side streets...what worries me more than ever, is as Ive worked in the yard, numerous vehicles have been speeding up and down Adrian endangering workers who are in the area. These workers have to walk in the street, and cross in different places, and the speeders are making their job a great bit more dangerous. Maybe LPD can add a few details to the area to concentrate on speeders now that is is needed more than ever?

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Glenn Richardson over 2 years ago

...Largo Mayor Woody, Commissioners, Police and City Planners, what can you do individually to help be sure our concerns expressed above are addressed? Please reply. Thank you! Glenn

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david largo over 2 years ago

Man, squeaky wheel, you are spot on there...lets just make these guys feel welcome in our neighborhoods as they improve our drainage and make our yards level once and for all..lol...I guess it falls on us as neighbors to keep vigilant and watch for the repeat offenders, and keep tag numbers and vehicle descriptions as well..hey isnt there a police force for that? ...anyhow, those speed tables ironically may seem like the easiest way out here, eh?

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Squeaky Wheel over 2 years ago

We as a neighborhood have researched the stats on speed tables vs bumps and roundabouts w/FDOT as well as the NTSB. Speed tables are relatively inexpensive and have very little effect on emergency vehicles in terms of delay. They have also been found to curb cut through traffic and speeders. We also suggested "NO TURN (between certain hours) signs be erected on Trotter and Indian Rocks Road. This information was provided to the commission via email and I was told they are looking into it. At the SW meeting they mentioned a planned roundabout on Trotter/Adrian. (When we really need one on Gladys/Adrian) However now it would appear that we have been denied!? One hand simply does not know what the other is doing at the city. Being slated in their 25 yr plan is BS after asking for all of the above for well over 5 yrs now. As for the FDOT supervisors and crew, thankfully they also said that they are not afraid to call in suspicious activity either and will do just that. The Verizon/Frontier guys had some colorful words regarding the speed and traffic on Adrian, but luckily no one was hit by the vehicles whipping around their trucks while working. Unfortunately getting tags, vehicle descriptions given and the like which has been given to the PD has also proven to be ineffective. The PD does not show up or does so 30 mins to an hour after the crimes are committed or the cars are long gone.... After 5+ years of seeing something and saying something, not a darn thing has improved. Perhaps if more people did the same we could get some actually PD presence in this area? PCSO has volunteered to help on occasion, but generally it's LPD who is responsible for keeping our area safe and well... we know how that has been going.

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david largo over 2 years ago

LPD is good at what they do, when they are given decent information...problem is, too many residents are in fear of the dangerous characters which hang on the corner of Gladys and Adrian at any given night...most of the speeders are cutting through down to the two convenient stores at the Indian Rocks and Adrian corner from Baskins and the area of the old Terra pit..some shady characters, so the store owners will likely work to reject anything which cuts down on their business traffic. Also, LPD has shown a hit and miss approach to the drug problems in the area..effective one week, non existent the next..allowing for a reload of new dealers and dirtbags to be brought in after arrests are made by unscrupulous landlords ..so..perhaps they can listen when they are told one main issue is, landlords who dont give a rats ass about who they rent to, and pressure those landlords to make a change in the future...the worst one being whoever owns all the duplexes near the corner of Adrian and Gladys...he has been turning our neighborhood into a ghetto for years by renting to dirtbags and drug dealers...but..god forbid we step on his toes and make him actually give a crap about the properties which surround his rentals. he owns dozens of homes and duplexes in the area..and many of us know who he is..maybe he will read this.

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Largos Redheaded Stepchild, Homeowner, Taxpayer and Fed Up Resident over 2 years ago

David: The drainage construction continues on Adrian Avenue, Sometimes one lane is blocked off, sometimes just cones indicating caution. In any case, both foot traffic and speeders are still abundant and not one patrol has been seen. David: You nailed it in terms of the slumlords. One duplex across the street from me (A confirmed gov't paid housing location, w/a landlord who has threatened the N. Watch and exclaimed more than once that he does not care what his tenants do, so long as he gets his gov't money) had a car full on non locals pull in at 2:30AM the other night/AM technically (8/3), loud enough that myself and my neighbor heard the commotion and went outside to see what was going on. Soon thereafter, the traffic on Adrian Avenue picked up again, until the sun came up. We did not call it into LPD because the last Sgt who spoke to our watch leader, made it clear that we (NW) "Don't report anything they are concerned about", and they no longer respond to our calls for service. According to an email from a representative of LPD: Our information previously submitted to the PD (Plate numbers, vehicle descriptions, etc) is not researched but rather cataloged to be looked into at a later date should it relate to another investigation/incident. I'd say we're on out own over here, however in one instance; the same information was forwarded to the PCSO additionally; regarding a gent reported by neighbors as suspicious. They took heed and he was arrested a few weeks later on a plethora of drug charges. They're currently keeping a few others on their radar. On a lighter note, I've seen the FDOT street plans and would be happy to share them with you via PM or in person. It would appear that FDOT is reclaiming the public easement by the problem stores, building varied curbs, driveways and sidewalks which should help cut down on the whipping in/out of those stores via vehicle, however we will still have the issues incurred by the shady character foot traffic. With that being said: If done correctly, it (Construction) should make the Adrian/Indian Rocks intersection a little safer to navigate via vehicle rather than the current game of human Frogger/Rally X. There are NO speed table plans for Adrian Avenue on the FDOT plans I was sent. As I type there has been around 6+ vehicles traveling at very high rate of speed headed West on Adrian Avenue. I wish they would start construction earlier and block off that intersection during the rush hours. But I had better not say too much because this website blocked my access (ACCESS DENIED) to read/comment/vote for the past month +. (ScreenShots avail as well as the FDOT plans via PM) P.S. David: LOVE your jewelry :)

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dave Goshorn almost 2 years ago

Hey LRSC, do you have the plans still for the Drainage project?

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Largos Redheaded Stepchild, Homeowner, Taxpayer and Fed Up Resident almost 2 years ago

Yes I have them, send me your email and I'll send them to you. I have however sold my house and moved out of Largo.

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